Charles Andrews 1842 until probably 1914. He was the firstborn of the 5 known children of Charles Andrews & Elizabeth Richards who married in 1840. Birth registered Mar 1842 St George Southwark 4 458. No baptism found. Father was a carpenter who lived at 61 St Georges Road, Southwark. Most of this info. was originally from Vic Thomas's
wife Dot who is currently doing the family history.
[Vic's gg grandfather is Charles Andrews c1842, Hannah's brother. Charles married Ann Strange and they had three sons, Charles, Frederick and Arthur. Frederick is Vic's ggrandfather. Tree viewable on Vic Thomas [wife Dot is researcher; they live in N.Z.] at Genes Reunited
1862 . . Charles married Ann Strange[ Birth Jun 1840 Strange Ann St. Saviours 4 446] on 17 Oct 1862 at the registry office in St George Southwark - fathers both Charles - Andrews a carpenter, Strange a poulterer, witnesses were Charles Andrews [presumably father] + John Richards [presumably younger, 1834/5, brother of the groom's mother, Elizabeth Richards]. Charles's address St. Georges Road, hers 11 London Road. Lesley Balfe has m.c: I do not have the image.
They had three sons, Charles 1863, probably reg Dec 1863 St George Southwark, Frederick 1865/6, maybe reg Dec 1866 St George Southwark, and Arthur 1871, probably reg Sep 1871 St. Saviour. .No Baptisms for any of these 3.
1871C ? not easily found! Have searched for children & wife too - in Ancestry & Findmypast.
1881 C.Annie Andrews, 42, b. Camberwell, was living with her three sons 26 Wickham Road? Southwark.- St. Georges but reg as St. Saviour - Annie was down as married [ not widowed] but there was no sign of her husband Charles Andrews 1842
. . In the 1881census, Dot tried finding a Charles Andrews, born 1842 Southwark, toymaker but couldn't find him. Dot did find an Edward Andrews, Lodger, fitting the description, living at 13 Flint St, St Saviour Southwark. Dot has a feeling that this must be Charles Andrews 1842.( I don't know if he had a middle name) He was a lodger, Occupation? stated as unmarried, staying in the same household - Dodman - as an Ann Lenard , 57, stated as unmarried, also a lodger and 2 young Lenards,.Elizabeth and Phebe, described as sisters to head of household. And in 1871C, these 2 are indeed Jemima's sisters and Ann is her mother.
. . Another reason for thinking he was still alive is that he is not given as deceased in 1887 when his son, Frederick, marries. . . . .On a copy of a marriage certificate we have for Frederick Andrews and Eleanor Withey in 1887 it has Frederick's father down as Charles Andrews (1842), Fancy Toy Maker..Have this m.c from Vic Thomas[in Sullivan emails- will move to Andrews!]
1891C. Dot found a Charles Andrews 1842, Widower, Toymaker, Flint St Newington. Living with him was a Jemima Mills, Lodger, 30, Toy Maker, marital status unclear, Jemima Mills, 13, also Lilian Andrews, 1, daughter!! Prob.Mar 1891 Andrews Lilian Martha St. Olave 1d 323 . No seeming baptism. Dot found a marriage entry for a Jemima Leonard who married a George Mills, carman, at St Marks Church Walworth, he 20, she 19 on 11/6/1877, June q, 1d 220a, St Saviour.[Record on Ancestry London marriages]. And they have a daughter, Jemima Ann Mills Sep 1877 St. Saviour. No seeming baptism. But no obvious death for the said George Mills unless he was very elderly or died in Wandsworth, 29, in 1889: this a possibility...
Charles Andrews not in the PO Directory for 1891.
1895. 2/02/1895, Charles Andrews, 28 Runham Street, Walworth, is the informant
at his mother's death.[see Elizabeth Richards]
. . On the 1901 census, Dot now has Charles and Jemima Andrews (married) and daughter Lilian 11 living in Southwark . Dot could find no marriage between a.Charles Andrews 1842 and Jemima Mills. And I have done an extensive trawl for such a match 1888-1901, so can only conclude that they never married or it was very badly mistranscribed. .
. . . .In the 1861 and 1871 census Dot found that Jemima Leonard was the daughter of Ann Leonard whom Edward/[Charles ?]Andrews 1842 was staying with in 1881
1911C, Charles Andrews, 69, toymaker, own acct, at home, b.Southwark with wife Jemima, 50, married 30 years, no children -both these facts odd!?, also b.Southwark, living in 1 room, at 11 Elsted Street Walworth.
1914. . . He could die Dec 1914 Southwark, aged 70.
CHILDREN OF CHARLES ANDREWS 1842.
1.. . Charles 1863 - 1912
1884 . . . . A carman, full age, he married Clara Sullivan, aged 18, [b.1865] , 11/11/1884 in St. John the Evangelist, Walworth.
Date, Nov 11th, not visible on image on Anc.com.au -London marriages - but is given in printed description
Clara was the 11 year younger sister of John Sullivan who married Hannah Andrews[ Charles' aunt] one week later, 18/11/1884 in Southwark Registry Office.
1891C Charles, 28, carman, & Clara, 25, have 3 children, Charles 6 b.Walworth, Annie 2 b.Walworth & Arthur 3mths b.Lambeth.; family living 3a Pleasant Place, Lambeth.
1901C, family living at 5 Opal Street Lambeth, Charles 37, coal porter, Clara, 32, toymaker, Charles 16, greengrocer, Annie ,12, & Arthur 10.
1911C, Charles 48, coal porter, Clara 45, Charles 26 coal porter, Arthur 21, painter labourer, living in 3 rooms 49 Draycott Avenue, Chelsea.
1912. Charles Andrews probably died, aged 48, Dec 1912 Lambeth 1d 232.
1913. Maybe Clara Andrews dies, aged 45, Chelsea?
Have not yet followed/ researched the lives of his children: Charles Andrews 1885, Annie Andrews 1889 and Arthur Andrews 1891
2. . Frederick 1865 - 1926.
. . . Married, 15/5/1887, Eleanor Clara Withey, both aged 21, he a Coal Porter : they had 13 children: including Frederick 1888-1892, Susannah Ann 1891, Eleanor Emily 1893, Albert Edward 1901 & Charles 1903.
Birth certificates for 3 of their children: Frederick John Andrews 1888, Susannah Annie Andrews 1891 & Eleanor Emily Andrews 1893
& death certificate of Frederick John Andrews in 1892, death due to pneumonia exhaustion.
. . . . . .According to Vic's sister Pam, Frederick and Eleanor had 13 children but only four survived. By 1911C, they had had 10 children, only 4 still living. Their address was 37 Bomti Place, Walworth & Frederick was still a coal porter.Annie 20, Ellen 18, Charlie 14, Albert 9
Frederick, 1865 -1926, wife Eleanor & son Albert.?? . . . Frederick's wife, Eleanor, 1865-1928. . . . Daughter, Eleanor Emily 1893 -1958
. . . . Frederick was a coal porter - like brother Charles 1863 - who died in 1926: Accident Report : A coal cart went over the subjects leg crippling him and taking away his livelihood. . . . . . . . Died young as a result. But 60 would seem to me a good age for the times!!
In the PO Directory, in 1905 & 1910 there is a Frederick Andrews in 81 Elsted Street with an entry 'Dairy'. Who is he?? Elsted Street was the 1911C addresss for Charles Andrews 1842, so I would assume this Frederick was his son, but, as just seen, he a Coal Porter in 1887, 1901 and in 1926. So think this Frederick is unrelated & just a coincidence!!
1907 &1908 El Roll: Frederick Andrews at 30 Runham Street. - almost the 1895 address for Charles 1842. & another Frederick Andrews at 81 Elsted Street.
. . . 4 of the Children of Frederick, 1865.
1.. . . . . .17/01/1888 Frederick John Andrews born at 87, Chatham St., Newington, to Frederick & Eleanor Clara [Withey]. He then died 13/7/1892 of pneumonia.
2. . . . . 1891 Susannah Annie Andrews born 25/3/1891at 28 Salisbury Row, Newington. Father Coal Porter
3. . . . . .Eleanor Emily Andrews . 30/3/1893 - 1958 married, 1912, Ernest Pawson, a Piano Key Maker,1887 - 1972 and they had Doris Pawson 1917.
Edward Pawson & Eleanor Andrews 1912 wedding photo: his nieces? . . . . . . . . . Her father a carman then. . . . . . . . . Eleanor Emily Pawson in later life
. . . . . . . . . . .Doris 1917 - married Sidney Thomas, a Barber having his own shop in Blackfriars and they had Vic. He grew up in Thornton Heath, was an Engineer, serving his apprenticeship at the Royal Mint whilst it was in London.
4. . . . . . . . Albert Edward Andrews [Mar 1902 Lambeth] married Grace Chudley-Ferrish in 1928 Southwark and they had a daughter Grace E Andrews 1936
3. . .Arthur Andrews 1871 - . .? .19/06/1871 Arthur Andrews born at 6, Black Prince Ct.Newington to Charles Andrews, a toymaker, & Annie[Strange].[Vic has b.c]. Baptised on 14/1/1872 at St Matthew Newington.:IGI, but not on London Baptisms - can search St Mathew Newington baptisms but end 1871/start 1872 not there? Do not know what happened to him. In 1891C he could possibly be in Woolwich, soldier Army Service Corps, aged 20 but born Camberwell .
Return Charles Andrews 1820