1854. Elizabeth Tobin was born on 25/02/1854 ,baptised 12/03/1854 in Our Lady of Salette, Melior Street, godparents James & Elizabeth Murray.. No BMD entry .
[Likely state registrations : a]Bridget, Jun 1854 St.Saviour 1d.34; this not her but a daughter, b.22/5/1854, of Michael Tobin & Julia Brisinhn? of 47 Ewer Street Southwark & b] Elizabeth Margaret Tobin 1855 Dec’, ref.1d.22.St. Saviour also not her,born 13/9/1855, reg. 24/10/1855 to Thomas Tobin & Margeret Welch of 7 Gt.Guildford St].
Speculation: thus likely that David's mother was called Elizabeth? Her parents were David & Margaret Tobin, ( he a carpenter from her 1876 marriage cert. & she Margaret Buckley (from 1852 marriage cert. with David, carpenter. Margaret Buckley's father was John Buckley, dead by 1852.). James & Elizabeth Murray are in 1861C, he born Greenwich, living Queen Elizabeth St., so obviously friends, not family.
The fact that no trace can be found in 1851C of David Tobin or a likely Margaret Buckley 18mths prior to their marriage in October 1852, suggests that they both arrived in England 1851-2.
1856. Sister, Mary Tobin, born 20/04/1856, and baptised 18/05/1856 in Our Lady of Salette, Melior Street, godparents David Shea & Mary Tobin. State registration Jun 1856 , St.Olave S 1d.48-guess! as to the 48.
Speculation on this Mary Tobin, godmother : 1. She could be a sister of David Tobin who then marries 1856-1861; but no marriage south of the river in this time period. One did marry in Pancras, could not find her in 1861C under either of the 2 possible married names. A David Shea 27 ,married to Johannah, both b.Kerry, does exist, living in Islington. . : 2. The only Mary Tobin in 1861C would seem to be the 27 yr old wife of a Michael Tobin. In 1871C he[Michel] is said to come from Killarney, she from Dublin. But then in 1881C, he[ now known as Martin!] has down Kilkenney, she Dublin. Their first [ of at least 9] child was born Dec 1857, so a chance that they[as Michael Tobin & Mary Ann Dempsey?] married in Jun 1856 in Clerkenwell: they did, have cert. MT20, but his father is a Thomas Tobin, deceased, farmer- so this Michael ,~1834, is not a brother of David,~1831: he could be a first cousin!!.
1859 Brother, John Tobin, born: [registered as John Torbin, Bermondsey 1d111 Jun1859 ] Baptism?: not Salette.
1860. Sister, Mary Tobin, dies Jun/ Sep 1860 in St.Olave , 1b 27 / 1d 47.
1861 Census. Eliza Tobin, aged 7, living at 9,Victoria Cott[ages: probably Snowsfield, just south of Melior Street]], St. Olave, Southwark Listed as Jobin!
|David||28||carpenter b. Ireland, Cork.|
|Margaret||27||b. Ireland, Cork|
|Eliza||7||b. St. Olave|
|John||2||b. Bermondsey. [he dies 1863, St.Olaves]|
1863 Brother, John Tobin, dies St.Olave Sep 1d 42
1864. Sister, Margaret Tobin, born, St. Olaves, ‘Mar’, 1d.43. Does Nicola have b.c.?. No baptism in Our lady of Salette -check in notes!!
1867. Brother, David Tobin, born, St. Olaves, ‘Dec’, 1d.40.
1871 Census Her family are living at 18, Queen Elizabeth St [ this has been redeveloped; run parallel to the Thames ,to east of what became Tower Bridge Road]], St. John, Southwark.
|Margaret Tobin||40||wife married & no occupation. b. Kilnakle, Ireland|
|Margaret||9||daut. b. St. John|
This implies that father, David, is still alive, but can find no trace of him in England. He has probably just been omitted by the Censor, as Margaret is given as Wife, and not as Head. For discussion on 'Kilnakle' see page on her father David Tobin 1827.
It must be Elizabeth [aged 16/17]’s family as in 1881C a David Tobin, 14, brother is living with her. Elizabeth Tobin is found as a general servant, age 16, in 280, High Holborn, b. Borough. ( Borough Road is one of the census districts of St. George, Southwark). Working for a John Weede ,28 , Supper Rooms Keeper, with 3 others, obviously the staff in the 'Supper Rooms' . Have googled for a ref. to these 'rooms'- nothing found
Timothy Lyons, her husband
1876. 30/09/1876. Elizabeth Tobin, 21, marries Timothy Lyons, 23, in the Church of the Sacred Heart, Lambeth. Timothy given as a Wharfingers Foreman. His father, Stephen Lyons, as a labourer & her father, David Tobin, as a carpenter. Addresses as 108 [his]& 137 [hers] Waterloo Road.[108 Waterloo Road was The Hero Of Waterloo Pub at this time]. Witnesses are Mary Magdalene Haynes and John Barrett. Marriage Certificate M2. Why was she living at 137 Waterloo Road in 1876? - were her parents also living there or were they already at Black Swan Yard??
From this point on her life is the same as that on her husband's, Timothy's, page.
Family lore says that she used to spend time drinking in the Dun Cow, below, in her later years at Marcia Road: due to this there was no love lost between her daughter-in-law Jessie and she.
1923. Her husband, Timothy Lyons, dies 10/12/1923
1924. She made a Will on10/2/1924, presumably when she knew she was dying:
This is the Last Will and Testimony of me Elizabeth Lyons of 3 Marcia Road Old Kent Road Southwark S E in the County of London made this 10th day of February in the year of our Lord one thousand nine hundred and twenty four I HEREBY REVOKE all Wills made by me at any time heretofore I APPOINT my daughter Elizabeth Allen of 21 Darwin Street Old Kent Road S E 1 to be my EXECUTOR and direct that all my debts and Funeral Expenses shall be paid as soon as conveniently may be after my decease I GIVE AND BEQUEATH unto my daughter Elizabeth Allen all the contents of my Home including all my personal effects everything including insurance policies and everything accruing from them and everything that apertains to myself - ELIZABETH LYONS - SIGNED by the said Testator - in the presence of us present at the same time who at h- request in h- presence and in the presence of each other have subscibed our names as witnessses - CHARLOTTE CATHERINE MURCOTT 7 Marcia Road Old Kent Road - WILLIAM JOHN WALLER 55 EDGELL Road Staines Middlesex -Affidavit of due execution filed. On the 27th day of March 1924 Probate of this Will was granted to Elizabeth Allen the sole Executrix. Gross value of Estate £27-0-0.
Elizabeth Lyons died 4/3/1924, 3 months after her husband, aged 69, of bronchitis & cerebral Apoplexy Coma. A service was held on 10/3/1924 at The Church of the English Martyrs, and prayers said for her soul at services her Lyons grandchildren attended as children . She was buried in St. Patrick's Catholic Leytonstone Cemetery in a public grave that has now been remade..Did not photograph the Cemetery entry in August 2010.
The cost of a private grave was £105 in 1924!!
Summary of places she lived.